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The engine:
RB20DET
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The Shell:
1990 240sx Hatch 90k miles
Body Work To-Do's:
1. Remove ugly ass stickers via blowdryer
2. New fenders and front lip
3. Either a respray or a full blown paint job
Interior Work To-Do's:
1. Locate and install a stereo
2. Take out carpet, clean, dye, and reinstall
3. Locate and install turbo controller and turbo gauges
4. Locate and install new cluster setup for proper red line etc
5. Nismo shifter
6. Dye various interior pieces black that need it.
Engine Work To-Do's:
1. Remove transmission currently in car
2. Remove all parts not needed for swap still in engine bay.
3. Pressure wash engine bay.
Itsmeee
06-11-2006, 07:20 PM
keep us updated :)
Silvercorona
06-11-2006, 07:42 PM
Hopefully that rust doesn't give you too much trouble
Nah just some typical wear and tear just need to clean things up. Over all it's in pretty good shape.
General To-Do list added.
UB_Bomber
06-11-2006, 09:47 PM
The motor wouldent be hard. BTW if I could get one of those motors that just needs a cam and a rebuild for 50 bux would it be worth it?
UB_Bomber
06-11-2006, 09:55 PM
If I where you I would steam clean the motor compartment and repaint it. Now is the time to do so if you want it to look all purdey like. And clean up the motor. Like I have started to do with all my motor swaps I do at my shop.
Warder
06-11-2006, 09:56 PM
Sounds like a fun time though Sky, keep us posted, I would like to follow your progress.
Sounds like a fun time though Sky, keep us posted, I would like to follow your progress.
Alright, will do. If anyone is ever bored on the weekend your welcome to swing by and help out soda's and food provided :tup: .
leathalist
06-12-2006, 11:20 AM
why would we want to help you sky of all people lol.......................... Plus sounds like a fun project. I want to take my Mazda truck slam it on its nuts bag it put a 289 ford stroker engine in it with a c4 tranny. Give the truck a new paint job. Buy bad ass rims for it. But this will never happen because i have no money to buy the parts lol....
jvphoto
06-12-2006, 11:21 AM
my freind has a torched rb20det now thanks to his car getting stolen, I think its getting shipped to spokane, but you could prolly get it for cheap too so when you blow this one you're ready for another.
To my knowledge there is no nismo shifter btw, if you're talking about shiftknob, then yes there is. Nissan Motorsports used to sell the C's short throw shifter, but thats about it.
I highly suggest if you want a proper paint job, you talk to ben at 2020, but only go there if your serious. He does amazing work, seriously good shit.
Why do you need new fenders?
If ya want an electric fan from a Volvo S40, I have 7 of them I'm trying to give away.
why would we want to help you sky of all people lol.......................... Plus sounds like a fun project. I want to take my Mazda truck slam it on its nuts bag it put a 289 ford stroker engine in it with a c4 tranny. Give the truck a new paint job. Buy bad ass rims for it. But this will never happen because i have no money to buy the parts lol....
Dude, go die now. Please drive your mazda truck off a cliff.
my freind has a torched rb20det now thanks to his car getting stolen, I think its getting shipped to spokane, but you could prolly get it for cheap too so when you blow this one you're ready for another.
To my knowledge there is no nismo shifter btw, if you're talking about shiftknob, then yes there is. Nissan Motorsports used to sell the C's short throw shifter, but thats about it.
I highly suggest if you want a proper paint job, you talk to ben at 2020, but only go there if your serious. He does amazing work, seriously good shit.
Why do you need new fenders?
If ya want an electric fan from a Volvo S40, I have 7 of them I'm trying to give away.
Somehow I doubt a volvo fan would fit the application :tup: . Yeah, I ment a shift knob. Fender have small dents in both of them.
UB_Bomber
06-12-2006, 04:50 PM
why would we want to help you sky of all people lol.......................... Plus sounds like a fun project. I want to take my Mazda truck slam it on its nuts bag it put a 289 ford stroker engine in it with a c4 tranny. Give the truck a new paint job. Buy bad ass rims for it. But this will never happen because i have no money to buy the parts lol....
I know someone with a mazda truck 2200 slam kit for sale. Intrested?
Expunge
06-12-2006, 04:55 PM
um lol.
Sky you're a newb :P
um lol.
Sky you're a newb :P
True, but a MAZDA??
leathalist
06-13-2006, 06:15 AM
sky lol slaming a mazda is eazy and btw if put a 289 stroker engine in it lets just say i add a supercharger by by your 240sx lol i would have over 400 hp in a 3000 lbs car fun fun :P
Expunge
06-13-2006, 06:18 AM
Mazda's are cool.
But not B2200's :(
sky lol slaming a mazda is eazy and btw if put a 289 stroker engine in it lets just say i add a supercharger by by your 240sx lol i would have over 400 hp in a 3000 lbs car fun fun :P
With the amount of money that would cost I could have my 4cyl producing more than that in a lighter car. Good luck controlling 400hp in a Mazda truck...
Mazda's are cool.
But not B2200's :(
qfe
leathalist
06-13-2006, 10:55 AM
or i could go to my nabors house grab the 351 stroker that he has in his shead that he doesnt want drop that into my truck can get a supercharger for about 2k or so depending i would be up around 600+ hp with out new other shit and it would be quite eazy to handle it in my truck lol. not that hard when you put a mustang gt 1985-1989 ish rear end in to handle the power then you put some weight in the bed of the truck about 1 pounds have about a 4k pound car i think i would have fun with ya but then again that 350 stroker isnt the best gas millage and i would have to run high octane on it. Or i could just grab my dads 67 camaro that has a 350 in it drop a super charger on top of that and have fun with that but thats a classic so i dont think i would. BTW my freind has a 350 in his mazda truck and it handles pretty well and hes putting out around 388 hp in it so i think mine will haddle it just fine.
jinx666
06-13-2006, 12:26 PM
or i could go to my nabors house grab the 351 stroker that he has in his shead that he doesnt want drop that into my truck can get a supercharger for about 2k or so depending i would be up around 600+ hp with out new other shit and it would be quite eazy to handle it in my truck lol. not that hard when you put a mustang gt 1985-1989 ish rear end in to handle the power then you put some weight in the bed of the truck about 1 pounds have about a 4k pound car i think i would have fun with ya but then again that 350 stroker isnt the best gas millage and i would have to run high octane on it. Or i could just grab my dads 67 camaro that has a 350 in it drop a super charger on top of that and have fun with that but thats a classic so i dont think i would. BTW my freind has a 350 in his mazda truck and it handles pretty well and hes putting out around 388 hp in it so i think mine will haddle it just fine.
Your posts give me a headache trying to read them...
Silvercorona
06-13-2006, 01:00 PM
Your posts give me a headache trying to read them...
Solution: Don't read them. ;)
lifemalfunction
06-13-2006, 01:12 PM
Yeah, I stopped reading them a LONG time ago.
jvphoto
06-13-2006, 01:15 PM
A volvo s40 t5 AWD has more power than your car.
Expunge
06-13-2006, 01:39 PM
or i could go to my nabors house grab the 351 stroker that he has in his shead that he doesnt want drop that into my truck can get a supercharger for about 2k or so depending i would be up around 600+ hp with out new other shit and it would be quite eazy to handle it in my truck lol. not that hard when you put a mustang gt 1985-1989 ish rear end in to handle the power then you put some weight in the bed of the truck about 1 pounds have about a 4k pound car i think i would have fun with ya but then again that 350 stroker isnt the best gas millage and i would have to run high octane on it. Or i could just grab my dads 67 camaro that has a 350 in it drop a super charger on top of that and have fun with that but thats a classic so i dont think i would. BTW my freind has a 350 in his mazda truck and it handles pretty well and hes putting out around 388 hp in it so i think mine will haddle it just fine.
Wall of text crits you for 5226.
You die.
annarchy
06-13-2006, 01:47 PM
or i could go to my nabors house grab the 351 stroker that he has in his shead that he doesnt want drop that into my truck can get a supercharger for about 2k or so depending i would be up around 600+ hp with out new other shit and it would be quite eazy to handle it in my truck lol. not that hard when you put a mustang gt 1985-1989 ish rear end in to handle the power then you put some weight in the bed of the truck about 1 pounds have about a 4k pound car i think i would have fun with ya but then again that 350 stroker isnt the best gas millage and i would have to run high octane on it. Or i could just grab my dads 67 camaro that has a 350 in it drop a super charger on top of that and have fun with that but thats a classic so i dont think i would. BTW my freind has a 350 in his mazda truck and it handles pretty well and hes putting out around 388 hp in it so i think mine will haddle it just fine.
Um, I think you accidentally put some punctuation in there.
My thread is being polluted by horrible grammar :(.
Dr. Deezee
06-13-2006, 05:05 PM
My thread is being polluted by horrible grammar :(.
Seems like a hypocritical complaint.
or i could go to my nabors house grab the 351 stroker that he has in his shead that he doesnt want drop that into my truck can get a supercharger for about 2k or so depending i would be up around 600+ hp with out new other shit and it would be quite eazy to handle it in my truck lol. not that hard when you put a mustang gt 1985-1989 ish rear end in to handle the power then you put some weight in the bed of the truck about 1 pounds have about a 4k pound car i think i would have fun with ya but then again that 350 stroker isnt the best gas millage and i would have to run high octane on it. Or i could just grab my dads 67 camaro that has a 350 in it drop a super charger on top of that and have fun with that but thats a classic so i dont think i would. BTW my freind has a 350 in his mazda truck and it handles pretty well and hes putting out around 388 hp in it so i think mine will haddle it just fine.
Deezee - lol? Not this bad...
UB_Bomber
06-13-2006, 06:08 PM
Do you have a thing about superchargers? I know they are nice and all. But damn. You cant just slap them on anything. Unless you dont want to run them to there full potential.
I do have to say the "hot rod" motor I am building is gonna make all you drool.
specs:
1950 chrystler windsor
chevy 454 big block
built TH400 tranney
That is all I can say for now. But to guess what kind of power I am gonna be makeing, its gonna be around 800HP with well over 1500 Ft lbs of torque. These are consertive figures here. Just have to wait till its done.
hockeysnipermlg
06-13-2006, 06:09 PM
Deezee - lol? Not this bad...
"in for a dime, in for a dollar..." ;)
Updates for a few hours worth of work:
* Tranny and driveline removed
* Exhaust system removed
* Junk fender removed
* Nose removed
* Ac equipment removed
* ECU removed wiring harness almost out
* Misc things in engine compartment removed
Updates:
* Lower harness hooked and and ready to go
* All tranny sensors moved
* Engine and tranny connected
* Engine compartment pressure washed along with driveline
* All pinstriping removed from the body along with half of those ugly stickers.
* Engine compression tested. Range: 136-146
Updates:
* Engine bay pretty much degreased etc except for some residual
* Old motor mounts removed (a royal bitch)
* Intake manifold removed from RB preparing for new one
* Exhuast Manifold removed.
* Turbo setup removed
To-Do's:
* Install new motor mounts.
* Setup and attach new Intake manifold.
* Attack the exhaust manifold with a wire brush then paint it.
* Take turbo apart and clean it.
* Drop in engine/ hook up wiring harness once received from UB. :woot:
* Off to "The chop shop" for intercooler plumbing and exhaust.
Updates:
Wire Brushed ALL of the rust in the engine bay. Used touch up paint on nicks etc. Also nailed the steering column with a fresh coat. Engine bay looks SOOO much better now. Tomorrow I'm gunna bondo over the little holes from the battery tray, sand it, then paint it. After that sexy pictures of clean ass engine bay to commence.
Warder
07-23-2006, 10:51 PM
Sounds good man! Sorry I didn't make it by the other day, had just too much shit going on. Can't wait to see the pics!
Expunge
07-24-2006, 09:34 AM
Take the battery tray out, you're going to be running IC piping through it. Put the battery in the trunk.
UB is doing your wiring harness? lol
Warder
07-24-2006, 10:15 AM
Take the battery tray out, you're going to be running IC piping through it. Put the battery in the trunk.
UB is doing your wiring harness? lol
He's already almost done sending the battery to the back.
I doubt he's gonna have UB do his wiring harness (no offense UB). But those things are really time consuming and not something you wanna fuck up.
You just gonna buy a new one Sky?
jvphoto
07-24-2006, 10:21 AM
........ sigh ...........
Expunge
07-24-2006, 10:22 AM
He's already almost done sending the battery to the back.
I doubt he's gonna have UB do his wiring harness (no offense UB). But those things are really time consuming and not something you wanna fuck up.
You just gonna buy a new one Sky?
KA24DE -> RB20 wiring isn't hard. If Sky took the time to actually look it up, he could do it for free.
Why is he going to paint the battery tray if he relocated the battery already? I hope he's aware that IC piping goes through the battery tray area.. At least he should know this, considering he bought a turbo motor..
Warder
07-24-2006, 10:40 AM
What he did, is he's pulling the battery tray, which is leaving mounting holes, which he is going to fill and then paint over so it looks clean...talk to him, you'll get a better idea of what he's working on.
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If ya want an electric fan from a Volvo S40, I have 7 of them
i'm not even going to ask ;)
KA24DE -> RB20 wiring isn't hard. If Sky took the time to actually look it up, he could do it for free.
Why is he going to paint the battery tray if he relocated the battery already? I hope he's aware that IC piping goes through the battery tray area.. At least he should know this, considering he bought a turbo motor..
It's KA24E ->Rb20 I can find all of the stuff for the DE but almost nothing for the E. :no:
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/8634/dscn1792sn8.th.jpg (http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn1792sn8.jpg)
The spot where I took out the battery tray. Gunna wait until I have the intercooler plumbed till I bondo/paint it.
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/4600/dscn1793io3.th.jpg (http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn1793io3.jpg)
Warder
07-24-2006, 01:47 PM
Looks clean bud :)
good job cleaning that man, looks like you started w/ all new stuffs!
Have some people pretty intersted in the Honda... so hopefully I'll be able to order:
Catback Exhaust
Send in the wiring harness
Intake Manifold
Various Gaskets
Expunge
07-25-2006, 06:55 AM
It's KA24E ->Rb20 I can find all of the stuff for the DE but almost nothing for the E. :no:
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Dont believe it's much different, if at all.
jvphoto
07-25-2006, 09:38 AM
talk to him, you'll get a better idea of what he's working on.
Somehow I think you don't
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Dont believe it's much different, if at all.
Well... $200 buys me a warranty.. unless there is someone local who will do it cheaper..
Warder
07-25-2006, 10:16 AM
Somehow I think you don't
Talk to him? I talk to him all the time.
Have an idea of what he's working on? He's mostly doing body work right now and cleaning up the engine bay so it's the sex. Just cause I don't really know Nissans, doesn't mean I don't know how to work on a project car. Perhaps if you weren't always acting so superior when it comes to your VAST knowledge of vehicles, it would be alot easier for those of us who don't meet your standards to talk to you.
*Update*
I now have an rb20 happily sitting in my engine bay! Pics to insue!
Silvercorona
08-11-2006, 04:58 PM
So when you install a jdm engine like an rb20 do you have to do much modding to the drive train or transmission?
So when you install a jdm engine like an rb20 do you have to do much modding to the drive train or transmission?
I used a mount kit. That made things much easier than the crossmember. I did have to grind 1/4 inch on a small part of the tranny. Other than that it was just a matter of getting it lined up. Took a couple hours but thats not bad considering other people have taken much longer/ I have never done it.
Warder
08-11-2006, 10:59 PM
*Update*
I now have an rb20 happily sitting in my engine bay! Pics to insue!
Sweet!
M4LFUNCT10N
08-11-2006, 11:14 PM
It's KA24E ->Rb20 I can find all of the stuff for the DE but almost nothing for the E. :no:
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Dont believe it's much different, if at all.
ACTUALLY... there is a big difference. The whole top end is different.
D denotes dual overhead cam. The heads, cams, and the lower and upper plenums are completely different. Oh, not to mention different pistons and rods.... lets just say the only thing they share is the block.
ACTUALLY... there is a big difference. The whole top end is different.
D denotes dual overhead cam. The heads, cams, and the lower and upper plenums are completely different. Oh, not to mention different pistons and rods.... lets just say the only thing they share is the block.
<3
*Todays todo's*
Put shifter on.
Install driveshaft
Connect various clutch cables.
Sell the damn Honda.
Expunge
08-12-2006, 09:58 AM
ACTUALLY... there is a big difference. The whole top end is different.
D denotes dual overhead cam. The heads, cams, and the lower and upper plenums are completely different. Oh, not to mention different pistons and rods.... lets just say the only thing they share is the block.
Talking specifically of the wiring harness, I'm not an idiot. Sheesh.
*Todays todo's*
Put shifter on. *done*
Install driveshaft
Connect various clutch cables. *done*
Sell the damn Honda.
I think he was saying the wiring harness reflects the differances in the engines :moose:
Silvercorona
08-12-2006, 12:00 PM
I used a mount kit. That made things much easier than the crossmember. I did have to grind 1/4 inch on a small part of the tranny. Other than that it was just a matter of getting it lined up. Took a couple hours but thats not bad considering other people have taken much longer/ I have never done it.
I guess what i am getting at is: will the much more powerful engine destroy your drive line and or rear diff?
M4LFUNCT10N
08-12-2006, 12:05 PM
I think he was saying the wiring harness reflects the differances in the engines :moose:
Nope, not quite. The engine would need quite a few more connectors though. If I'm not mistaken, all Nissan dual overhead cam motors after around 88 or so used VTC. So, now you need the VTC connector. Not to mention the DE is uses a crank angle sensor and coil packs where the E uses a distributor. Maybe I'm completely mistaken, but from what I understand there are too many differences and it would be a complete hack-job trying to use the same harness.
Cody, you got away with it using the KA harness on the SR because they both lack a lot of the upgrades that DE motors use.
I guess what i am getting at is: will the much more powerful engine destroy your drive line and or rear diff?
Stock parts are ok to a certain POINT, granted the potential is limited. Maybe to 400 hp or there abouts (correct me if I'm wrong). Though I do plan on putting a 300zx rear end in mine eventually.
jvphoto
08-12-2006, 06:31 PM
it's not really much more powerful, stock 240 drivelines/diffs can hold alot actually.
Silvercorona
08-12-2006, 08:32 PM
it's not really much more powerful, stock 240 drivelines/diffs can hold alot actually.
I am considering throwing an RB20DET in my s14 someday down the road, so I just wanted to know what I am getting into with parts and modification
jvphoto
08-12-2006, 09:59 PM
why rb20det? no 25?
Silvercorona
08-13-2006, 08:10 AM
why rb20det? no 25?
25 would be hot.
25 would be hot.
Remember that overall that swap will cost a couple thousand more. Though it would be awesome :dance:
*updates*
-Gaskets/timing belt ordered via Ryan
-Tophat Intake Manifold ordered coming in a couple weeks
Once those items have arrived I can put the engine back together. After that it's off to G&R to be wired up. Then it is off to an exhuast shop for intercooler plumbing (suggestions?). Near the end of the month when Ryan's container shows up I plan to grab Tein Coilovers, 3' exhuast, turbo timer, front fenders, a Nose, and strut bars from him.
jvphoto
09-17-2006, 08:48 PM
G&R is doing your wiring? hahahah
M4LFUNCT10N
09-17-2006, 09:17 PM
Yeah... I'm not so sure what I think about that. I wasn't incredibly impressed with a job they did on a friends car.
Excessive
09-17-2006, 09:39 PM
... 3' exhuast...
You're going to need a lift kit to fit 3 foot exhaust under that car.
Expunge
09-17-2006, 09:45 PM
You're going to need a lift kit to fit 3 foot exhaust under that car.
I think the 3' exhaust is supposed to make the car fly.
jvphoto
09-17-2006, 09:52 PM
Yeah... I'm not so sure what I think about that. I wasn't incredibly impressed with a job they did on a friends car.
along with the fact that they're already an all around second rate shop, why would you trust them with something more complex like wiring...
along with the fact that they're already an all around second rate shop, why would you trust them with something more complex like wiring...
because sky is 15 and broke?
M4LFUNCT10N
09-17-2006, 10:07 PM
problem is.... you skimp on the wiring and you'll actually pay more out in repairs and diagnostics afterwards. Wiring harness is something not to be messed with. That's why I spent the money on a brand new one.... but that hurt. $400
jvphoto
09-17-2006, 10:12 PM
because sky is 15 and broke?
so work more hours and take more time, but get it done right the first time or dont bother.
sky is gonna learn the hard way though, you get what you pay for.
Warder
09-17-2006, 10:12 PM
Hey Sky, do what works for ya man. Or go out and ask advice from people like Ryan or others you may know. Don't pay attention to people who just rag on a shop because they happen to be friends with the owners of another one. I've never had any problems with G&R and I've been going there for audio since they opened. They have done quite a few swaps and custom wiring harnesses that I've talked to the owners later and they love how their cars run.
M4LFUNCT10N
09-17-2006, 11:18 PM
Hey Sky, do what works for ya man. Or go out and ask advice from people like Ryan or others you may know. Don't pay attention to people who just rag on a shop because they happen to be friends with the owners of another one. I've never had any problems with G&R and I've been going there for audio since they opened. They have done quite a few swaps and custom wiring harnesses that I've talked to the owners later and they love how their cars run.
I'm not friends with any other shops. However a friend did have tons of work done there, audiowise it wasn't bad work.... actually... nevermind. I wasn't too impressed by their tuning of my friends system either. Ah.. I'll just shut up. That's why I don't let people work on my car. I don't trust other people. I'll do the work myself.
Warder
09-18-2006, 07:52 AM
Always do the work yourself if you can of course. I happen to think your a little less biased Logan, so that wasn't a tag against you.
. I'll do the work myself.
QFT!
jvphoto
09-18-2006, 09:03 AM
Always do the work yourself if you can of course. I happen to think your a little less biased Logan, so that wasn't a tag against you.
biased or not, truth is truth
G&R has the best price plus they said they will guarantee there work. So if they don't do it right, they fix it.
biased or not, truth is truth
being biased is it's own truth... but not always the real truth
Updates:
Top Hat Intake Manifold in the mail.
Bought from Ryan:
R33 rear end (LSD 5-lug brakes etc)
S14 for the front 5-lug conversion (swapping out brakes for Skyline's)
Tein Type HR coilovers
Apexi Exhaust
Cusco Front and Rear Sturt bars.
Gaskets and timing belt on the way.
Updates:
Top Hat Intake Manifold in the mail.
R33 rear end from ryan (LSD 5-lug brakes etc)
S14 for the front 5-lug conversion (swapping out brakes for Skyline's)
Tein Type HR coilovers
Apexi Exhaust
Gaskets and timing belt on the way.
i put that through babble fish, but it still didn't make sense.
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