Bush

[Shadow]

Do you really Dislike Bush or Do you just say you do b/c everyone else is? It seems like everyone hates Bush. I want to see if it's really what ppl think.

[Stumanji]

:)

http://media.skoopy.com/pics/pic_01014.jpg

[Verbal]

Oh Stu, I just can't stop laughing.

[Shadow]

Originally posted by Stumanji
:)

http://media.skoopy.com/pics/pic_01014.jpg
That Explains all....:confused:

[DiscoDave]

Impartial. I genuinely believes he's trying to make the world a better place, and that's more than I can say for Clinton.

I have more respect for someone who's noble in heart and short in sight than the opposite.

[Shadow]

Yea he's trying to make it better. Just he's ticking off a lot of ppl b/c he and his cabinet are not doing it the way a lot of people think is the"right way".

[Stumanji]

I disagree. I don't think he's trying to make the WORLD a better place, I think he's trying to make AMERICA better than the rest of the world...

Personally, I'd like to see a global community, where everyone on the planet respects everyone else as equals, despite race, culture, sex, or economy. One can dream, right?

[night3218]

i have to agree with ya there stu. its just that there are so many people in the middle east that were and still are literally bieng raised from childhood to hate us. achieving world peace is going to be hard and george bush sure isnt helping imo.

[Verbal]

Originally posted by night3218
i have to agree with ya there stu. its just that there are so many people in the middle east that were and still are literally bieng raised from childhood to hate us. achieving world peace is going to be hard and george bush sure isnt helping imo.

Sorry, too hard to resist.


WORLD PEACE?!WTF? You think that world peace is actually possible??? Absolutely not. It's simply never going to happen. In fact that even goes hand-in-hand with my religious beliefs. In the Bible it says that when world peace occurs, it will be the end of the world. :eek:

PS it also says that the anti-christ is going to "rise out of the East"! :eek:

[iFrag]

Originally posted by Homeslice
Sorry, too hard to resist.


WORLD PEACE?!WTF? You think that world peace is actually possible??? Absolutely not. It's simply never going to happen. In fact that even goes hand-in-hand with my religious beliefs. In the Bible it says that when world peace occurs, it will be the end of the world. :eek:

PS it also says that the anti-christ is going to "rise out of the East"! :eek:

(I'm sorry but no harm done with this) Haha I laugh at the bible.

[night3218]

Originally posted by Homeslice
Sorry, too hard to resist.


WORLD PEACE?!WTF? You think that world peace is actually possible??? Absolutely not. It's simply never going to happen. In fact that even goes hand-in-hand with my religious beliefs. In the Bible it says that when world peace occurs, it will be the end of the world. :eek:

PS it also says that the anti-christ is going to "rise out of the East"! :eek:


*scared*

uhh. I think its possible, think about it . technically if everyone in the world just got along, we would have world peace. although the chaces of that happeneing are about 1/100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 , it is still possible.

[Shadow]

Originally posted by Homeslice

PS it also says that the anti-christ is going to "rise out of the East"! :eek: [/B]
You Know, I never quite got that...think about it when the bible was written east was china, not right in that area. When we nowadays think east we think the Middle East.

[scm007]

You guys make no sense. That is all. P.S. religion sucks.

[AIM-54]

haha he got you there

[Verbal]

Originally posted by Shadowmaster
You Know, I never quite got that...think about it when the bible was written east was china, not right in that area. When we nowadays think east we think the Middle East.

I know, it was a joke. ;)

Also, scum007, in YOUR OPINION religion sucks. It is what I base my life on, so don't knock it.

[scm007]

What exactly do you think this entire thread is about? Facts? Looks like opinion to me.

[Verbal]

Originally posted by scm007
What exactly do you think this entire thread is about? Facts? Looks like opinion to me.

Yep it is based on opinion, but that doesn't mean you have to put down other people's beliefs. Religion is something that I and a great deal of other people take very seriously, and I'm simply saying please state your opinions in a different mannor.

[scm007]

I wasn't puttign them down, but when people say stuff like "The Bible says everybody in the World has to hate eachother" wtf am I supposed to think, "You know, really good point?" It's not that people don't have a right to believe what they want, but when they use stupid justifications such as that, it degrades every religion and I had to speak up.

[Verbal]

Who the heck said anything like that about the Bible?!

[scm007]

Actually you did.

WORLD PEACE?!WTF? You think that world peace is actually possible??? Absolutely not. It's simply never going to happen. In fact that even goes hand-in-hand with my religious beliefs. In the Bible it says that when world peace occurs, it will be the end of the world.

PS it also says that the anti-christ is going to "rise out of the East"!

[iFrag]

Originally posted by Homeslice
Who the heck said anything like that about the Bible?!

Originally posted by scm007
Actually you did.

haha.

[M4LFUNCT10N]

Homeslice did not say that the Bible says everyone has to hate each other. He said that the Bible says, when there IS peace, it will be the endtimes. Think about it, as long as there are Muslims in the world there will be no peace. I'm not saying that I hate Muslims, I'm trying to point out that they believe that anyone who isn't Muslim doesn't deserve to live. So for "World" peace, we'd have to erradicate Muslims, but then that wouldn't be peace would it? Lots of religions do not coexist very well. Not much we can do about it. I don't think we'll ever see peace. The only way that would occur is if someone were to take over the world(ie: superpower), which again, isn't really peace. There's always going to be people that just don't understand.

[Verbal]

Don't twist my words Scm007. And thanks M4L for clearing that up. I thought people would understand. :rolleyes:

[Shadow]

Well one thing I have noticed on this site is...... Bring up politics and your sure to get opinons. :tongue:

[scm007]

OK, well then you ahve just cleared up my point about religion sucking, if people can use religion as a valid point of hating and killing other people, then I'd say that is a pretty crummy thing.

[Verbal]

Originally posted by scm007
OK, well then you ahve just cleared up my point about religion sucking, if people can use religion as a valid point of hating and killing other people, then I'd say that is a pretty crummy thing.

...anyone could twist someone's words to mean something than they really do. That's just life. I could say the exact same thing about LACK of religion...


"...if people can use lack of religion as a valid point of hating and killing other people, then I'd say that is a pretty crummy thing."

Except it didn't even work when you said it, because obviously if someone were to use religion as an excuse to hate and kill, then they would be taking the words out of context and twisting their meanings, therefore making it INvalind, rather than valid.

[Excessive]

Originally posted by M4LFUNCT10N
Think about it, as long as there are Muslims in the world there will be no peace.


Its a sad world when people think that way. :(

[Verbal]

Originally posted by Excessive
Its a sad world when people think that way. :(

But it's totally true! It's a part of Muslim religion. It's written in the Koran! If someone is not of the Muslim faith then they are considered an infedel, and any Muslim has the right to kill them. :shrug: they wrote it, not us.

[scm007]

First, I was saying that religious types use it as a valid point to hate, kill, etc. Second, people believe all this crap because of religion, "It is written in so and so."

[Verbal]

Originally posted by scm007
First, I was saying that religious types use it as a valid point to hate, kill, etc. Second, people believe all this crap because of religion, "It is written in so and so."

OK I'm done now. Totally pointless.

:hug: I LOVE EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



*cue Ender*

[scm007]

OK just cause you lost doesn't mean it is pointless.

[Verbal]

Originally posted by scm007
OK just cause you lost doesn't mean it is pointless.

scm007 --> :nerd: :kneel: <-- Homeslice

:hug:

[scm007]

Finally I'm getting the credit I deserve :)

[Shadow]

Originally posted by Homeslice
But it's totally true! It's a part of Muslim religion. It's written in the Koran! If someone is not of the Muslim faith then they are considered an infedel, and any Muslim has the right to kill them. :shrug: they wrote it, not us.
Actually only the radical muslims actually follow that. I know "normal" muslims and they're totally cool. You wouln't be able to tell them from anyone else. In fact he's one that is in our midst....
p.s. (not me)
*edit* also muhammad (sry for spelling) wrote the Koran not Muslims.

[Battousai]

scm007:buttwag: :hump: homeslice.
that is all.

[scm007]

Battousai :moon: :hump: Battousai

[PyroInsane]

-_-' Scum007, you lost...

And there will never be peace, its not human nature to be peaceful. It all goes down to basic instincts, the will to survive, the will to fight and defend oneself... etc.

There will always be greedy leaders who want more power (Castro, Sadam, Hitler), and people who will oppose them (USA, Britian, Russia). thus there will always be war, unless there is a dominant superpower that arises (Global Government, something like the Federation Government in StarTrek) and as stated before, that wouldnt be peace either.

[Verbal]

Originally posted by PyroInsane
-_-' Scum007, you lost...

Only I'm allowed to call him that! :grumpy:

[PyroInsane]

Originally posted by Homeslice
Only I'm allowed to call him that! :grumpy:

:mad: fine.

On a completely unrelated note, like my new sig?

[Dr. Deezee]

Originally posted by PyroInsane
On a completely unrelated note, like my new sig?

No.

[PyroInsane]

Originally posted by Dr. Deezee
No.

*twitch*

((Note to self: Kill Deezee in the most violent way possible))

[TheBigShow]

Originally posted by scm007
OK, well then you ahve just cleared up my point about religion sucking, if people can use religion as a valid point of hating and killing other people, then I'd say that is a pretty crummy thing.

WTF kind of messed up logic is that? People use everything as an excuse to kill other people. That just means that they are messed up. When people misconstrue religion to something evil, thats not religions fault. Religion is what our morals are based on, how can you dis something that your own roots are grounded in (whether you like it or not)?

You say you dont believe in religion... well you just contradicted yourself. Religion is, at it's core, a set of rules, guidlines, parables, whatever that you model your life after. Im assuming your religion is science. You believe in tested models and base your beliefs around them. You put faith in these "facts" and choose to disregard miracles, etc. and live your life accordingly.

And by the way... Bush is trying to make the world a better place, but its going to be a very long process. Do you actually think that we can make any progress towards some sort of peace without violence? We cant sit here picking our asses and hoping for peace. We are the United States, the most powerful nation on the earth, its our RESPONSIBILITY to work towards peace. Ousting Saddam (as an example) was a very necessary step towards this ultimate goal. Someone had to do it, and we're the most qualified.

[Excessive]

Originally posted by TheBigShow
Religion is what our morals are based on,

I beleive people had morals before religion was invented.

[Verbal]

Hey guys? I think this thread is dead. And if it's not, it will be soon. i.e. *beware the mods* :)

It all comes down to what each individual person believes, and let's face it: NO ONE is going to change their mind about how they live life because of something they heard on the internet. It's just not going to happen. :shrug: (I wish it would though, then I could have my own cult! :sly: ) Excessive believes that morals were around before religion, and my religion states that God created morals along with everything else in existence. It's simply not something that we're going to persuade each other away from, so we'll have to settle it this way:

:dance: I HATE YOU ALLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :dance:




lol just kidding! :hug: :hug: :hug:

Anyway, I totally forgot where I was going with this post, but I digress...

[Shadow]

Yea, I vote a lockage.

oh man I just found there is no lock pic....we should get on on the smilies....

[scm007]

OK, yes you are right that people will always be at war with eachother (over land, money, etc.) But I find it ridiculous that people would go to such extremes over freaking ideas. Spanish Inquisition anybody? People get so crazy when religion is thrown into the mix. Especially when nobody can know which is true (if any). Maybe I should just start lighting everybody up because I believe a magical sheep lives in the sky and controls everybody, and you say that I'm wrong.

[Stumanji]

Whether or not religion is the true motivation for attacks, even the President isn't above using the justification of God for attack. We think of this typically as a "Mid-Eastern" thing, citing Allah and scriptures as the reasons the USA or other "civilized countries" are evil.

George W. Bush:
"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then He instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did...".

For perspective:
"Allah told me to strike at America and I struck them, and then He instructed me to strike at the infidels again, which I did..."

[Dr. Deezee]

Funny thing that it's been proven there's no link between Iraq and Al-Qaeda.

And where are those pesky WMDs? We haven't turned over every rock yet. They're still around.

[Verbal]

Originally posted by Dr. Deezee
Funny thing that it's been proven there's no link between Iraq and Al-Qaeda.

And where are those pesky WMDs? We haven't turned over every rock yet. They're still around.

So you wish Saddam was still in power?

[Dr. Deezee]

No. I wish he hadn't lied to the U.N. about our reasons for war, defacing the United States on an international level and perhaps crippling our international influence for years to come.

I would've preferred that he told it to the U.N. like it was--we wanted Saddam gone. Even if we didn't have backing, at least we wouldn't have flat out lied to the world.

[scm007]

Exactly, we didn't get it anyways. Although if I was president, I don't think I'd give a damn about what the UN said. I'd just further my goals for complete world domination! Now. Who wants to elect me?

[Expunge]

Originally posted by Homeslice
So you wish Saddam was still in power?

Where did you jump to this extraneous conclusion young padawan?

OMG HE'S NAY BUSH! HE MUST SUPPORT TERRORISM OMG!!??!1

[scm007]

Exactly. Exactly.

[Expunge]

Originally posted by scm007
I wasn't puttign them down, but when people say stuff like "The Bible says everybody in the World has to hate eachother" wtf am I supposed to think, "You know, really good point?" It's not that people don't have a right to believe what they want, but when they use stupid justifications such as that, it degrades every religion and I had to speak up.

Originally posted by Homeslice
Who the heck said anything like that about the Bible?!

Obviously his comment was sarcastic. Here's a sarcasm detector Jon, this little switch here turns it on. Use this wisely.

Originally posted by Homeslice
...anyone could twist someone's words to mean something than they really do. That's just life. I could say the exact same thing about LACK of religion...


"...if people can use lack of religion as a valid point of hating and killing other people, then I'd say that is a pretty crummy thing."

Except it didn't even work when you said it, because obviously if someone were to use religion as an excuse to hate and kill, then they would be taking the words out of context and twisting their meanings, therefore making it INvalind, rather than valid.

lol wahoo? I can replace words therefore my point is valid? False. Oh oops... Isn't replacing words also described in another context as "twisting" them? Oh my.

Originally posted by Homeslice
But it's totally true! It's a part of Muslim religion. It's written in the Koran! If someone is not of the Muslim faith then they are considered an infedel, and any Muslim has the right to kill them. :shrug: they wrote it, not us.

Wrong again Jon. Maybe you should read the Koran sometime. About that twisting words thing you're still trying to grasp: Terrorists regimes do it just like you! Imagine that oh wow!

In unbastardized Muslim calling someone an infidel is the exact same thing as you calling someone an athiest, and then looking down on them for not sharing your wonderful point of view.

Originally posted by TheBigShow
You say you dont believe in religion... well you just contradicted yourself. Religion is, at it's core, a set of rules, guidlines, parables, whatever that you model your life after. Im assuming your religion is science. You believe in tested models and base your beliefs around them. You put faith in these "facts" and choose to disregard miracles, etc. and live your life accordingly.

Sir I believe these are called morals.

[Expunge]

Originally posted by Stumanji
Whether or not religion is the true motivation for attacks, even the President isn't above using the justification of God for attack. We think of this typically as a "Mid-Eastern" thing, citing Allah and scriptures as the reasons the USA or other "civilized countries" are evil.

George W. Bush:
"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then He instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did...".

For perspective:
"Allah told me to strike at America and I struck them, and then He instructed me to strike at the infidels again, which I did..."

What?

Source please.

[Dr. Deezee]

Originally posted by FeaR
What?

Source please.
That wasn't a direct quote, but Bush has been known for saying "I prayed with God, and..." etc, etc.

Even my mom talks about it (she thinks it's one of the reasons he's a good President, LOL). I could find a source probably if you wanted, but I'm lazy.

[Expunge]

Originally posted by Dr. Deezee
That wasn't a direct quote, but Bush has been known for saying "I prayed with God, and..." etc, etc.

Even my mom talks about it (she thinks it's one of the reasons he's a good President, LOL). I could find a source probably if you wanted, but I'm lazy.

Same reason I dont have a girlfriend. Go figure.

[scm007]

Oh yeah Fear I made you taht sig you wanted :)

I stuck with the bird style which you have for your pic.

[Stumanji]

Originally posted by FeaR
What?

Source please.

I knew that Bush had cited God for his attacks on Iraq so I ran a search on Yahoo! for "Bush", "Iraq", "God", and got two million sites. I found that Bush quote on one of them.

I took that quote (exactly as you see it) and pasted it into the Yahoo! search bar, and got about 300 responses. That was good enough justification for me. :rup:

note: Most sources are from outside the US, so take that for what it's worth.

[Expunge]

Originally posted by Stumanji
I knew that Bush had cited God for his attacks on Iraq so I ran a search on Yahoo! for "Bush", "Iraq", "God", and got two million sites. I found that Bush quote on one of them.

I took that quote (exactly as you see it) and pasted it into the Yahoo! search bar, and got about 300 responses. That was good enough justification for me. :rup:

note: Most sources are from outside the US, so take that for what it's worth.

Comedy. I would love to know how God talked to him.

[Ender]

This thing is still going? :confused:

I'll buy a chicken sandwich for the first person to make a high quality smiley beating a dead horse. :)

[Verbal]

Originally posted by Ender
This thing is still going? :confused:

I'll buy a chicken sandwich for the first person to make a high quality smiley beating a dead horse. :)

Oh man, I wish I still had Flash! Does it have to be animated?

[Excessive]

Originally posted by Ender
This thing is still going? :confused:

I'll buy a chicken sandwich for the first person to make a high quality smiley beating a dead horse. :)


http://excessivepc.com/smilies/deadhorse.gif

[Ender]

Excessive for the win unless someone can post one better than that in the next 24 hours...then the contest is closed. And I think Excessive's is good to so it has to be really good to beat it...and yes it has to be animated. :)




*the extra 24 hours is to give a chance to those who aren't up right now. :)

[Verbal]

Originally posted by Ender
Excessive for the win unless someone can post one better than that in the next 24 hours...then the contest is closed. And I think Excessive's is good to so it has to be really good to beat it...and yes it has to be animated. :)




*the extra 24 hours is to give a chance to those who aren't up right now. :)

Hmmmm, animated, eh? Umm... could I send you a flip-book? :tongue:


*by the way, this is my post that makes me surpass Dave in post count!!! :woot:

[Excessive]

Mmmmm, Chicken.

http://www.cobbs.ca/bbs/images/smilies/goldcup.gif http://www.cobbs.ca/bbs/images/smilies/essen.gif

[PyroInsane]

THE HORSE IS DEAD :< :sad:

[Expunge]

Originally posted by Ender
Excessive for the win unless someone can post one better than that in the next 24 hours...then the contest is closed. And I think Excessive's is good to so it has to be really good to beat it...and yes it has to be animated. :)




*the extra 24 hours is to give a chance to those who aren't up right now. :)

He didn't make that himself, but I'll beat it ;)

[Stumanji]

I shall revive the horse... with this poll on MSN.


If the presidential election were held this week, who would you vote for?
*218197 responses

George W. Bush -- 42%

John Kerry -- 55%

Ralph Nader -- 4%


MSNBC's online surveys (Live Votes) may reflect the views of far more individuals, but they are not necessarily representative of the general population.

[Ender]

Nope the horse is dead - especially in this neck of the woods...


However. Excessive gets himself a nice chicken sandwich on saturday. :)